Oh, hey HN! I run Lightcone Infrastructure which runs this residency (as well as LessWrong.com and the venue, Lighthaven.space).
Happy to answer questions if anyone has any. Ben (one of my co-founders) is more centrally in charge of it, but I should have enough context to answer really any question.
I could be the only person to have thought this, but when I saw this was a residency advertising money and accommodation I assumed this was a grant for an arts/culture programme. If it’s just me that thought that then I’m clearly too naive, but if ten people do then it might be worth adjusting the copy.
Not yet! My guess is Substack is the best choice for most people, just because it's easy to set up, has a bunch of UI problems solved, and has a non-terrible way to get towards getting food on the table (even if you don't paywall anything).
You use it more like a Patreon. I don't think it's easy, but it works for at least some people like Scott at AstralCodexTen (who arguably has some paywalled essays, but it's extremely rare and I doubt it's the reason why almost anyone is subscribed to him).
The AI-generated images on the page are a real bummer. I see two-faces, no-faces, three-legs, no-legs, detached-legs, tables with human legs, impossible stairways, and double-sided laptops, to start.
It'd be fun to join in from afar by pledging to do the same things, but for nowhere near the cost. (The place looks super neat, but I'm not paying that much, don't live near there, and need to report to my employer's office twice a week.)
I wonder if there'll be an aggregator of the blog posts written as post of this cohort (and others, if there's more cohorts).
> It'd be fun to join in from afar by pledging to do the same things, but for nowhere near the cost.
Yep, Bay Area rent and cost of living is a big pain. $1,500 for housing for a month is still below real estate costs on our side, and $2,000 in program fees is barely enough to pay for the staff costs and program supplies. We might barely break even, but my guess is we'll lose a bunch of money on the program (which is fine, we are doing this because it's good for the world, not to make money).
I feel like for a program like this it might make sense for someone to run it outside of one of the highest cost of living places in the world, but it's where we are located, so that's what we have to make work (I do think being in the Bay Area does also attract people and makes it more likely for people to participate, so it's not an obvious call even from first principles).
> I wonder if there'll be an aggregator of the blog posts written as post of this cohort (and others, if there's more cohorts).
We're definitely planning to do something like that! Not sure yet about the exact format, but we'll definitely make it easy to find what everyone is publishing as part of the residency somehow.
> It'd be fun to join in from afar by pledging to do the same things, but for nowhere near the cost.
I am not familiar with blogging or this sphere at all, but it's so funny to me that I was assuming the website said that the program would PAY the bloggers to be there for a month (including housing) and not the other way around.
I assumed this was one of those "We'll let you write a book while riding Amtrak for free" sort of thing. Not sure why I thought that, but it made me laugh after reading your comment.
> It'd be fun to join in from afar by pledging to do the same things
What’s stopping you besides the unsettling truth that it’s more fun to think that it’d be fun to join in from afar by pledging to do the same things than it is to actually do the same things from afar?
This is something I might otherwise consider, but Gwern being an advisor gives me pause. Awhile back I shared a blog design on Twitter in response to someone doing a “show me your cool stuff” kind of thing, someone replied and tagged gwern and then he replied with a bunch of very unconstructive crap-on criticism. I had looked up to him before that. Maybe he’s different in person but based on that interaction I have no desire to find out.
Edit: if someone can explain why this was instantly downvoted I would genuinely appreciate knowing where I went wrong here
> Edit: if someone can explain why this was instantly downvoted I would genuinely appreciate knowing where I went wrong here
Alluding to some conversation which supposedly demonstrates my unsuitability for such a role, while pointedly refusing to link it or describe it any detail which could be judged (to the point where I, the person in question, have no idea what misdeeds you are talking about), is not credible and reeks of, one might say, 'very unconstructive crap-on criticism', and people might be understandably reluctant to upvote it.
If you think my criticisms were that bad, then link the tweets in question - and, since my account is currently locked, I will happily copy them all out here so everyone can read them and judge for themselves. I am not afraid.
It's just that you come off as a high-handed, unbearable jerk. Even by my standards, which is saying a really enormous amount. Everyone thinks you're an asshole because you act like an asshole, and some people are afraid of you because of that and the social power they understand you to have, ie the ability to effectively blacklist people from a weird, unpleasant, mostly pointless, but highly remunerative niche labor market providing an expedited path to US citizenship which is still probably a few years out from its inevitable collapse in value. (You're not really special in this, of course; your pal Scott also has it, for example. So do lots of others.)
I suppose you have some justification for all of that, but I wouldn't really know; without the aid of either preternatural patience or some sort of pharmaceutical support that Shulgin would have also favored, I've always found you so needlessly and interminably self-indulgent in prose that it must be really fortunate for your sake you had firmly established your reputation before the advent of true conversational AI. Certainly I don't expect you to change your whole personality at this late date. I doubt you can even very reliably restrain yourself from indulging it.
I can appreciate your defending yourself here, and you should. You're obviously suitable for the role, and I think folks will be incredibly lucky to learn from you. I'm not saying your criticisms are that bad (far from it), but I can't say I think you're always as careful as you should be in that role (which I also suggest you're sometimes too quick to assign yourself) either, sir. If you're asking for bug reports, this is one.
It feels like there's a particular ideology uniting the bloggers involved that isn't actually declared on the page, centering on Lesswrong and the kinds of conversations hosted there. I think that's fine for that community; I'd love to see a version of this for people who buy into a more humanist version of the present and future.
I do want to not scare people who aren't into LessWrong and similar things, as I would really like this residency to be less opinionated about stuff than LessWrong and other projects we usually run, so I feel like putting a big LessWrong logo somewhere would have given the wrong impression.
I would also love to see other people run similar things (including in places that aren't the Bay Area and so where they can run it much more cheaply). I feel like it could be a cool model.
I also think an online-only version of this could be great. The original inspiration for this project came from seeing that the Nanowrimo charity had shut down, and realizing that I would love to do something like Nanowrimo but focused on blogging and essays instead of novels. I ended up registering Nablowrimo.com (National Blogging Writing Month) and might end up trying to make that a thing, or would be happy to give the URL to someone who is committed to make something happen here.
He’s known for being a prolific blogger with multiple interests and excellent research skills.
The other two blog, yes, but now Scott flirts with race realism [1] and other Scott is hyperfixated on being pro-Israel at any cost. I can’t imagine they’re much fun at parties (or in communes, shtetl-optimized or not).
interesting idea, kind of like the y-combinator of blogging except with upfront tuition being paid instead of a longer-term investment by the 'provider'--i wonder if that business model could work as well?
We were thinking about whether there is any way to do some kind of income sharing agreement, but given how messy those tend to be (see all the Lambda school stuff as an example) we couldn't figure out a way to make it work.
Maybe if everyone was definitely starting a Substack we could take a small cut of Substack revenue for the next year or two, which would be straightforward enough.
If anyone has ideas, I would definitely be curious to hear them.
I think the volume would really be a lot. For the program we'll be dealing with 900 (!) blogposts (30 residents times 30 blogposts). I doubt something with that volume would actually end up with many subscribers
Also, I would feel bad about splitting the audience of the authors. I feel like you really want to build your own audience early on.
And last, I am worried it would push people towards homogeneity. My ideal outcome from the whole project is that we will have a bunch of really very different blogs and essay writers find traction who share little of an audience, but add some important perspective to the world.
Definitely not "same subject" if we are thinking of something as narrow as "Frontend development" but I would like many people to find a niche/style/perspective they feel at home in. Something as consistent as simonwillison.net seems good for many.
Also, my guess finding such a style/niche will take a bunch of exploration, so I think most people should probably write in a bunch of different styles and on a bunch of different things during Inkhaven to get more evidence about what they enjoy writing about the most (and which of their writing people want to read).
Back in the day it cost a round of drinks at the pub to be read and questioned about your work in progress:
Until late 1949, Inklings readings and discussions were usually held on Thursday evenings in C. S. Lewis's rooms at Magdalen. The Inklings and friends also gathered informally on Tuesdays at midday at a local public house, The Eagle and Child, familiarly and alliteratively known in the Oxford community as The Bird and Baby, or simply The Bird.
University was free for, say, the likes of Greg Egan and others to study physics and math, with a nominal student union fee to be able to join / form clubs and apply for a base beer, wine, and cheese fund to lubricate weekly discussion.
500 words a day isn't much for $3,500! I've done that for free before. But given the weirdo cult this is designed to recruit naïve suckers as propagandists for, I suppose that all checks out: requiring a stupid amount of money right up front, for what amounts to a social entrée with some rich weirdos and hangers-on, both filters out the sensible and makes the sunk cost fallacy pretty easy to invoke.
Oh, hey HN! I run Lightcone Infrastructure which runs this residency (as well as LessWrong.com and the venue, Lighthaven.space).
Happy to answer questions if anyone has any. Ben (one of my co-founders) is more centrally in charge of it, but I should have enough context to answer really any question.
I could be the only person to have thought this, but when I saw this was a residency advertising money and accommodation I assumed this was a grant for an arts/culture programme. If it’s just me that thought that then I’m clearly too naive, but if ten people do then it might be worth adjusting the copy.
Any sweetheart deals with a blogging platform yet? I expect the Nearly Free Speech folks or the bearblog dev would hear you out.
Not yet! My guess is Substack is the best choice for most people, just because it's easy to set up, has a bunch of UI problems solved, and has a non-terrible way to get towards getting food on the table (even if you don't paywall anything).
Substack? Talk about unfortunate connotations. Hopefully their drama dies down before November.
How do you earn money with Substack if you don’t paywall anything?
You use it more like a Patreon. I don't think it's easy, but it works for at least some people like Scott at AstralCodexTen (who arguably has some paywalled essays, but it's extremely rare and I doubt it's the reason why almost anyone is subscribed to him).
So content is free, and readers can make a donation?
Yep, something like that.
The AI-generated images on the page are a real bummer. I see two-faces, no-faces, three-legs, no-legs, detached-legs, tables with human legs, impossible stairways, and double-sided laptops, to start.
It gives you an indication of how much they value the craft of writing, if they treat the craft of illustration like this.
It'd be fun to join in from afar by pledging to do the same things, but for nowhere near the cost. (The place looks super neat, but I'm not paying that much, don't live near there, and need to report to my employer's office twice a week.)
I wonder if there'll be an aggregator of the blog posts written as post of this cohort (and others, if there's more cohorts).
> It'd be fun to join in from afar by pledging to do the same things, but for nowhere near the cost.
Yep, Bay Area rent and cost of living is a big pain. $1,500 for housing for a month is still below real estate costs on our side, and $2,000 in program fees is barely enough to pay for the staff costs and program supplies. We might barely break even, but my guess is we'll lose a bunch of money on the program (which is fine, we are doing this because it's good for the world, not to make money).
I feel like for a program like this it might make sense for someone to run it outside of one of the highest cost of living places in the world, but it's where we are located, so that's what we have to make work (I do think being in the Bay Area does also attract people and makes it more likely for people to participate, so it's not an obvious call even from first principles).
> I wonder if there'll be an aggregator of the blog posts written as post of this cohort (and others, if there's more cohorts).
We're definitely planning to do something like that! Not sure yet about the exact format, but we'll definitely make it easy to find what everyone is publishing as part of the residency somehow.
> It'd be fun to join in from afar by pledging to do the same things, but for nowhere near the cost.
I am not familiar with blogging or this sphere at all, but it's so funny to me that I was assuming the website said that the program would PAY the bloggers to be there for a month (including housing) and not the other way around.
I assumed this was one of those "We'll let you write a book while riding Amtrak for free" sort of thing. Not sure why I thought that, but it made me laugh after reading your comment.
> It'd be fun to join in from afar by pledging to do the same things
What’s stopping you besides the unsettling truth that it’s more fun to think that it’d be fun to join in from afar by pledging to do the same things than it is to actually do the same things from afar?
I'd be interested to see the writing of folks that do this course.
This is something I might otherwise consider, but Gwern being an advisor gives me pause. Awhile back I shared a blog design on Twitter in response to someone doing a “show me your cool stuff” kind of thing, someone replied and tagged gwern and then he replied with a bunch of very unconstructive crap-on criticism. I had looked up to him before that. Maybe he’s different in person but based on that interaction I have no desire to find out.
Edit: if someone can explain why this was instantly downvoted I would genuinely appreciate knowing where I went wrong here
> Edit: if someone can explain why this was instantly downvoted I would genuinely appreciate knowing where I went wrong here
Alluding to some conversation which supposedly demonstrates my unsuitability for such a role, while pointedly refusing to link it or describe it any detail which could be judged (to the point where I, the person in question, have no idea what misdeeds you are talking about), is not credible and reeks of, one might say, 'very unconstructive crap-on criticism', and people might be understandably reluctant to upvote it.
If you think my criticisms were that bad, then link the tweets in question - and, since my account is currently locked, I will happily copy them all out here so everyone can read them and judge for themselves. I am not afraid.
It's just that you come off as a high-handed, unbearable jerk. Even by my standards, which is saying a really enormous amount. Everyone thinks you're an asshole because you act like an asshole, and some people are afraid of you because of that and the social power they understand you to have, ie the ability to effectively blacklist people from a weird, unpleasant, mostly pointless, but highly remunerative niche labor market providing an expedited path to US citizenship which is still probably a few years out from its inevitable collapse in value. (You're not really special in this, of course; your pal Scott also has it, for example. So do lots of others.)
I suppose you have some justification for all of that, but I wouldn't really know; without the aid of either preternatural patience or some sort of pharmaceutical support that Shulgin would have also favored, I've always found you so needlessly and interminably self-indulgent in prose that it must be really fortunate for your sake you had firmly established your reputation before the advent of true conversational AI. Certainly I don't expect you to change your whole personality at this late date. I doubt you can even very reliably restrain yourself from indulging it.
I can appreciate your defending yourself here, and you should. You're obviously suitable for the role, and I think folks will be incredibly lucky to learn from you. I'm not saying your criticisms are that bad (far from it), but I can't say I think you're always as careful as you should be in that role (which I also suggest you're sometimes too quick to assign yourself) either, sir. If you're asking for bug reports, this is one.
I’ve helped friends with their writing.
If _I_ got this bit of feedback I wouldn’t know what to make of it.
Thank you for telling me.
It feels like there's a particular ideology uniting the bloggers involved that isn't actually declared on the page, centering on Lesswrong and the kinds of conversations hosted there. I think that's fine for that community; I'd love to see a version of this for people who buy into a more humanist version of the present and future.
Definitely not trying to hide it!
I do want to not scare people who aren't into LessWrong and similar things, as I would really like this residency to be less opinionated about stuff than LessWrong and other projects we usually run, so I feel like putting a big LessWrong logo somewhere would have given the wrong impression.
I would also love to see other people run similar things (including in places that aren't the Bay Area and so where they can run it much more cheaply). I feel like it could be a cool model.
I also think an online-only version of this could be great. The original inspiration for this project came from seeing that the Nanowrimo charity had shut down, and realizing that I would love to do something like Nanowrimo but focused on blogging and essays instead of novels. I ended up registering Nablowrimo.com (National Blogging Writing Month) and might end up trying to make that a thing, or would be happy to give the URL to someone who is committed to make something happen here.
It’s a pity Gwern is saddled here with the two Scotts. It’s like if Umberto Eco shared the stage with Travis Baldree and Sarah Maas.
Is Gwern known for being a great creative coach and advisor?
He’s known for being a prolific blogger with multiple interests and excellent research skills.
The other two blog, yes, but now Scott flirts with race realism [1] and other Scott is hyperfixated on being pro-Israel at any cost. I can’t imagine they’re much fun at parties (or in communes, shtetl-optimized or not).
[1] https://www.stevesailer.net/p/scott-alexander-comes-out-of-t...
Yes that’s what I know him for as well. It’s a very different skill set than that used by a good creative advisor.
interesting idea, kind of like the y-combinator of blogging except with upfront tuition being paid instead of a longer-term investment by the 'provider'--i wonder if that business model could work as well?
We were thinking about whether there is any way to do some kind of income sharing agreement, but given how messy those tend to be (see all the Lambda school stuff as an example) we couldn't figure out a way to make it work.
Maybe if everyone was definitely starting a Substack we could take a small cut of Substack revenue for the next year or two, which would be straightforward enough.
If anyone has ideas, I would definitely be curious to hear them.
Maybe an Inkhaven substack that the writers agree to crosspost to for some length of time?
Interesting idea. Some thoughts:
I think the volume would really be a lot. For the program we'll be dealing with 900 (!) blogposts (30 residents times 30 blogposts). I doubt something with that volume would actually end up with many subscribers
Also, I would feel bad about splitting the audience of the authors. I feel like you really want to build your own audience early on.
And last, I am worried it would push people towards homogeneity. My ideal outcome from the whole project is that we will have a bunch of really very different blogs and essay writers find traction who share little of an audience, but add some important perspective to the world.
Do you envision a single writer writing largely on the same subject during the course of that month, or not?
Definitely not "same subject" if we are thinking of something as narrow as "Frontend development" but I would like many people to find a niche/style/perspective they feel at home in. Something as consistent as simonwillison.net seems good for many.
Also, my guess finding such a style/niche will take a bunch of exploration, so I think most people should probably write in a bunch of different styles and on a bunch of different things during Inkhaven to get more evidence about what they enjoy writing about the most (and which of their writing people want to read).
Back in the day it cost a round of drinks at the pub to be read and questioned about your work in progress:
~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InklingsAnd admission to an Oxford college, of course.
For that group of Inklings, sure.
University was free for, say, the likes of Greg Egan and others to study physics and math, with a nominal student union fee to be able to join / form clubs and apply for a base beer, wine, and cheese fund to lubricate weekly discussion.
"Inkhaven (business model: Uber for Yaddo) is..."
That's where my best impression of n-gate stops short at. Someone is welcome to fill in the rest.
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500 words a day isn't much for $3,500! I've done that for free before. But given the weirdo cult this is designed to recruit naïve suckers as propagandists for, I suppose that all checks out: requiring a stupid amount of money right up front, for what amounts to a social entrée with some rich weirdos and hangers-on, both filters out the sensible and makes the sunk cost fallacy pretty easy to invoke.